All the weird naked dancing people in Guild Wars. - Page 6 - Guild Wars Forums

Keramon · Mar 31, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

regardless of culture the solution is very simple
if it offends you dont buy it
buy something else that you approve of instead

Yes, this is a solution, but I ask you ... is it a good solution? Does Guild Wars and the customer benefit from this solution? I think not. Sure ... I can already hear millions of simpletons saying ... well it is just one person, it won't make a difference to the bottom line.... And to these people, I am not sure that I can offer anything that will make you understand that sales add up when you start filtering groups of people.

What is the difference between a good and amazing product? I would suggest that it is the one that goes the extra mile and provides customising options that can work for everyone. A Niche market will only get you so far.

If MS Windows/Dos was only provided in Zulu ... how pervasive do you think it would be today? We would probably all be using Linux, OS/2 or Apples.

Personally, I hope Guildwars is an ongoing product that lasts for years, capturing the interest of millions all around the world.

Darkmane · Mar 31, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

I say we lock this worthless thread and allow people to post their poll on a more un-biased thread to begin round 4... or is it round 5?

March Hare · Mar 31, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

It's the Energizer Bunny post, I think we're up to 5.

However, this game is primarily for the western world, those are the values and morals that should be applied. You can't expect to please all of the people all of the time, you can only make a vested effort, and I think GW has done one he** of a job

Keramon · Mar 31, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

March Hare,

In that I absolutely agree. Anet has done an amazing job and I truly hope that it continues that way for a long time to come.

But isn't Korea the "Eastern" World?

Weezer_Blue · Mar 31, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I think that video games have become an easily turned to scapegoat for anything that happens. Or media in general for that matter. I'm tired of people telling me that video games corrupt the mind and lead to such and such percentage of higher violent behavior. That's bull-shit. If your child comes and kills a bunch of people at your school, there are MUCH worse problems than video games and it's your own god damned falt for not helping your kid to find the line between reality and fantasy. I'll admit it. I love violent and bloody video games. Sometimes they are so gory it's funny and unrealistic (MK

A?), but I know the difference between impaling someone with my sword and then walking away and watching them die in a video game and in real life. If you can't find this very very broad and obvious line, then you should not be kept from playing video games; you should be thrown in a little room with foam walls and then your parents should be arrested for neglect.
That's violence. What of nudity? Get over it. If you're mature in the slightest you won't b**** just because you saw a virtual guy in his boxers do a Pulp Fiction dance or you saw a girl dressed in skimpy clothing running around. The only thing that happens when you aren't open with these things with your own kids is that they become confused and mis-informed. Get over your puritan ideals. The world isn't going to go around dressed in a tunic so that you are never exposed to what is only natural.

Varuuth · Mar 31, 2005, 04:54 AM // 04:54

my comment that i made earlier in the thread about the original poster dancing for his wife.. well that was made in jest, i didn't realize that this thread was going to get this huge... *heh* it's amazing what people will want to talk about (not that that is a bad thing... just commenting)

as for what I feel is a good thing or not a good thing ... personally I say if a person want to dance in their underwear .. let 'em

but at the same time.. not everyone wants to see that.. so put in an option in the game that shuts off dancing and forces a player to have a shirt (or top part of the armor) and a pair of pants on (or bottom part of armor)
i don't think we have to worry to much about shoes / boots and gloves

i'm not sure how hard it would be to code something like that, but i think it would really be the best option.

William of Orange · Mar 31, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Varuuth

but at the same time.. not everyone wants to see that.. so put in an option in the game that shuts off dancing and forces a player to have a shirt (or top part of the armor) and a pair of pants on (or bottom part of armor)

i'm not sure how hard it would be to code something like that, but i think it would really be the best option.

I could see it possible to shut off dancing for your own account, but you wouldn't be able to make other people stop their dancing by simply pressing a button on your own computer; the system just doesn't work like that.

Like it has been repeated time and time again, the dancers are not naked, and have underwear/night clothes/whatever you want to call them on. Can you see the female Elementalists breasts in plain daylight? No. Does the Warrior have his penis hanging out from his shorts? No. Since they are clothed, if even minimally, then there's no need to somehow "add" more clothes onto them when they have clothes on already. The options might not be incredibly difficult to code, but, at least with being able to remotely stop peoples dancing, that would mean being able to access that users system and shutting off that emote for them, which would be a huge violation of that users privacy. And it doesn't seem likely that you'd be able to just make them stop dancing on your screen, but then have them dance on other peoples/their own screen.

Keramon: Would a Middle Eastern person be playing a video game where you violently and maliciously go around killing other people/creatures? Most likely not. Unless, of course, Allah has decreed that all of the monsters and human oppenents are infidels, which would then make it OK; but I highly doubt this is the case.

I agree that the standards between different cultures are quite distinct; however, I can safely say that I've never seen a person from the Eastern World play this game on our servers, and since (I believe) the game is being localized, at least with language, in certain Eastern countries (could be wrong), it's possible they could change some things to make it culturally appropriate. Until I find a person from an Eastern country playing the game at any of the districts, I wouldn't be too worried about offending another culture. If it does get to a point where more culturally diverse people begin playing and an outcry starts, then we'll see.

Lansing Kai Don · Mar 31, 2005, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by William of Orange

I could see it possible to shut off dancing for your own account, but you wouldn't be able to make other people stop their dancing by simply pressing a button on your own computer; the system just doesn't work like that.

Like it has been repeated time and time again, the dancers are not naked, and have underwear/night clothes/whatever you want to call them on. Can you see the female Elementalists breasts in plain daylight? No. Does the Warrior have his penis hanging out from his shorts? No. Since they are clothed, if even minimally, then there's no need to somehow "add" more clothes onto them when they have clothes on already. The options might not be incredibly difficult to code, but, at least with being able to remotely stop peoples dancing, that would mean being able to access that users system and shutting off that emote for them, which would be a huge violation of that users privacy. And it doesn't seem likely that you'd be able to just make them stop dancing on your screen, but then have them dance on other peoples/their own screen.

Keramon: Would a Middle Eastern person be playing a video game where you violently and maliciously go around killing other people/creatures? Most likely not. Unless, of course, Allah has decreed that all of the monsters and human oppenents are infidels, which would then make it OK; but I highly doubt this is the case.

I agree that the standards between different cultures are quite distinct; however, I can safely say that I've never seen a person from the Eastern World play this game on our servers, and since (I believe) the game is being localized, at least with language, in certain Eastern countries (could be wrong), it's possible they could change some things to make it culturally appropriate. Until I find a person from an Eastern country playing the game at any of the districts, I wouldn't be too worried about offending another culture. If it does get to a point where more culturally diverse people begin playing and an outcry starts, then we'll see.

Actually, I go to a college with many Middle Easterner's from India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... their Islamic, and some of them are playing the game with me. I don't know where you got that Allah would disagree with them but I'm sure they'd laugh at it (of course they may be a minority, I haven't asked them... religion is a bad topic that tends to start debates so I'm just adding this and hoping noone starts ranting at me). Islam is just like Christianity/Catholicism in that it has many denominations and stereotyping it just isn't possible and not doing justice to the individual believers faith. Their not saying getting rid of the emote William but instead have a button to put clothes on people (which will not invade anyone's privacy). Your viewing a rendered image of that person... so in theory you could alter the images to whatever flavor you want. But the difficulty might surprise everyone...just thinking about it makes me shudder with attempting something solo. I.e. the effect would be easy but the code for such a work? Unless there is an easy way I'm not aware of... you'd have to take each person that isn't wearing certain clothing (shirt/pants) check to see if this is true for EACH person in your area not just one you see right now. Then you'd have to add "default" clothing that may not be their actual clothing they had on but instead one's saved on your computer. It sounds easy but really think about it, like I said I've never attempted something in this area so there might be a shortcut.

Lansing Kai Don

P.S. I agree with Keramon, let the people voice their individual opinions and don't persecute them. This whole discussion could have been avoided if everyone just said "That wouldn't hurt, but if it delays release date. Hopefully they'll add it later for you"... Honestly, adding it, would not kill the anti-group here unless it delays release date of course

. Is there anyone, anyone who argues with me there? Would adding this type of visual filter that the user is able to control bother them so much that it would ruin their gameplay?

P.P.S. Whoever started yelling about media telling the public video games is ruining their life..I agree with you but I didn't think anyone was attacking this point of view?

P.P.P.S <---Don't know if it exists but I'm doing it anyways

Rowan, I said that it is completely different for each parent and that I was only speculating how I would react? I am happy that you are able to talk to your children on such a secure level and I respect your beliefs... maybe I just get insecure and embarassed too easily ?

RowanFalar · Mar 31, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by Lansing Kai Don

P.P.P.S <---Don't know if it exists but I'm doing it anyways

Rowan, I said that it is completely different for each parent and that I was only speculating how I would react? I am happy that you are able to talk to your children on such a secure level and I respect your beliefs... maybe I just get insecure and embarassed too easily ?

Nah, I would probably be just as embarrased and uncomfortable if my little girl was a little boy.

The way I was raised was to be comfortable with my body and I want my child(ren) to have that same advantage. It wasn't a criticism about the way others raise their kids. Goddess know I'm no saint, and I make plenty of mistakes. I'm just trying to not make too many like every other parent.

Varuuth · Apr 01, 2005, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by William of Orange

I could see it possible to shut off dancing for your own account, but you wouldn't be able to make other people stop their dancing by simply pressing a button on your own computer; the system just doesn't work like that.

Like it has been repeated time and time again, the dancers are not naked, and have underwear/night clothes/whatever you want to call them on. Can you see the female Elementalists breasts in plain daylight? No. Does the Warrior have his penis hanging out from his shorts? No. snip.. snip.. snip

actually i wasn't saying that a button on my keyboard would make your character on your computer stop dancing.. what i was saying was a button on my keyboard would make the character on my screen stop dancing or put his/her clothes on.. you would still see your character dance on your computer .. but i wouldn't see it..
btw i am part of the dancing in your underwear crowd.. so i wouldn't want someone stopping my fun..

but just because i'm having fun doesn't mean i should force that fun on another person.

Varuuth · Apr 01, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Lansing.. I would definitely agree.. adding a filter of that sort would be a very good thing..

i'd even go so far as to say.. let the game be delayed a few months while they figured out how to add it.. i mean look at this thread and how heated the conversation became.. it might be best (in my opinion) if the option was added.

Ren Falconhand · Apr 01, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Varuuth

i'd even go so far as to say.. let the game be delayed a few months while they figured out how to add it.. i mean look at this thread and how heated the conversation became.. it might be best (in my opinion) if the option was added.

Not for me I love the game the way it is now and would go through serious withdrawls if it was delayed. Let them fix it after it is relased.

Rem

Xedu · Apr 01, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Judge not lest ye be judged. Heard this somewhere a long time ago.

You cannot regulate the actions of others and what they deem appropriate/inappropriate behavior. I am a wife and if i so choose to disrobe and dance so be it. If you are offended leaving is always an option or simply deciding that this game is too risque for you and your family and will not be a part of your pastime activity.

Beware of watching the blood, death and dying and the real tradgedy of 'real life' and half naked people shown on spring break on the evening news and 'entertainment' programs on your local channels. As with the television set hit the off button to discontinue being offended.

William of Orange · Apr 01, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Varuuth

actually i wasn't saying that a button on my keyboard would make your character on your computer stop dancing.. what i was saying was a button on my keyboard would make the character on my screen stop dancing or put his/her clothes on.. you would still see your character dance on your computer .. but i wouldn't see it..
btw i am part of the dancing in your underwear crowd.. so i wouldn't want someone stopping my fun..

but just because i'm having fun doesn't mean i should force that fun on another person.

That's kind of what I was getting at when I said that. Granted that I'm no programmer, and the only experience I've had programming anything would be using Visual Basic, but it doesn't seem likely/seems extremely difficult to program it so that the character which is dancing on one persons screen is not dancing on your screen.

Lansing: I also don't want to get into any sort of arguement regarding religion, and it wasn't my intention to even slightly make people fume over it. My comment about whether or not it would be OK for them to kill people was due to the fact that Islam has multiple verses where it discusses the killing of infidels ("Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them, IX. 5-6/Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's, VIII.39-42). But I guess that since you're not actually killing people in real life, that would be an exception. Though it would seem logical that even the general concept of killing, in real life or simulated, would be wrong.

Also, concerning the emote, I wasn't saying that they would be getting rid of it. I simply was stating that it wouldn't be possibly to turn off the dancing for them/end the emote. I'm sorry if I confused you, but I never tried to suggest removing the dance emote.

And Varuuth: delaying the game to attempt to put this filter in is out of the question. If you all feel so intent on getting this filter, talk to Gaile or an Arena.net representative, and have them stream it/add it to expansions. But you're not making a majority of the people on this site and across the globe wait a few months longer to have it implemented. We've patiently waited for our time, but there would be mass hysteria were the release to be delayed, since the game hype has reached a fever pitch among everybody who has played, and even many who have not but have only heard stories.

Varuuth · Apr 02, 2005, 01:07 AM // 01:07

William , you probably have a good point there (on delaying the game). Yeah it would be best to have the filter streamed in later (if even added at all).

**Sneaks off to dance in my underwear some more**

Rescort Gyde · Apr 02, 2005, 09:36 AM // 09:36

I havent read all the posts but anyway. From what i have seen it seems people dont seem to understand is that it would just be convenient to have the "option".

I havent played the beta events. But i have played games with the same thing. I'm not saying censor the games. Just add an "option". I'm going to play the game regardless. I just dont like having to explain to people that watch me play that "its a game. its funny." I dont see how it could hinder gameplay to be accommodating to people.

spiritofcat · Apr 02, 2005, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by William of Orange

That's kind of what I was getting at when I said that. Granted that I'm no programmer, and the only experience I've had programming anything would be using Visual Basic, but it doesn't seem likely/seems extremely difficult to program it so that the character which is dancing on one persons screen is not dancing on your screen.

Actually it shouldn't really be very hard at all, since the server would only be sending data telling each user's computer to render the character dancing and without clothes, it would be simply a matter of changing how the user's client interprets that command so that instead of rendering an unclothed, dancing character it rendered a clothed, non-dancing character.

lankyslim420 · Apr 02, 2005, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by Spoon Of Death

I really hate sneaking around the game trying to avoid all the almost naked dancers and crazy underwear streakers. I would really love to be able to play this game without raised eyebrows from my wife and ???People In Underwear??? questions from my son.

I was hoping for a ???Put some cloths on button??? or even a ???Keep your pants on District??? would be fine. (help me please!)

In real life, you can say loudly ???Hey, buddy, put some clothes on!??? ??? and the people will show some reaction and realize what they are doing. In this game, there is no consequence to just running around in your underware ???

You can say, ???Hey its just a game??????. But, at some point, the graphics are so impressive, that situations can be shown that a Wife or a Parent would question is appropriate to view. As these games get better and more realistic, there need to be ways to either enforce standard social decency norms or create a filter if people are going too far.

If you say ???its now worse than PG-13??? ??? well that???s fine if you have a fast forward button, but it???s a bit tricky when your just standing there and you have all these crazy almost nude girls streaking by or dancing with a guy in his underwear.

Everyone has a threshold of what is ???decent???. All I am saying is some of the players of the game are creating situations not appropriate. When a ???passer by??? (my wife and my kids) says ???Are those guys having sex????!!?!? Something tells me its too far (This has happened to me).

So, what can I do about all the crazy (Almost) nude people running around that look like they are (Almost) having sex?

play privately

SA_DEMON · Apr 02, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Well in my view if all our parents got as naked as they are in this game we would'nt exist so i see nothing that would be even offending. Look too the Sims 2 Nudity and Sex all in one rated 7+ Worst Nudity look into Leisure Suit Larry. So those are games i think have it more than this can be even said. Otherwise just get use to it or try playing a game that has no characters.

Arianna Darkfire · Apr 02, 2005, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Ohh... Please lets grow up big people ...I remeber when I got my very first doll and took off all her little cloths to see what she looked like ... but this...this is a game ... and the Chars are not exactly naked they have underware on and thats more then what most other games offer ... In Neverwinter Nights they made haks and 2das to see and have girls chars with bigger boobs and jiggle and men well made the womens mouth dropped they where hunged like a donkey ...so yeah this is so cool what they have been able to do with these chars I will not vote on your pole I am sorry ...I do not take offence to this and think many ppl need to grow up have fun and good god don't forget to laugh when we all need it at this time.

View Poll Results: If an option/feature could be added to guild wars, what would help this issue?
Only view fully clothed players.	24	68.57%
Hide player dancing.	15	42.86%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

Mar 31, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58	#104
Keramon Rogue Agent Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Surfers Paradise	March Hare, In that I absolutely agree. Anet has done an amazing job and I truly hope that it continues that way for a long time to come. But isn't Korea the "Eastern" World? __________________ Keramon :cool: Last edited by Keramon; Mar 31, 2005 at 04:17 AM // 04:17.. Reason: East vs West

Mar 31, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01	#105
Weezer_Blue Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just a Box in a Cage Guild: Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]	I think that video games have become an easily turned to scapegoat for anything that happens. Or media in general for that matter. I'm tired of people telling me that video games corrupt the mind and lead to such and such percentage of higher violent behavior. That's bull-shit. If your child comes and kills a bunch of people at your school, there are MUCH worse problems than video games and it's your own god damned falt for not helping your kid to find the line between reality and fantasy. I'll admit it. I love violent and bloody video games. Sometimes they are so gory it's funny and unrealistic (MKA?), but I know the difference between impaling someone with my sword and then walking away and watching them die in a video game and in real life. If you can't find this very very broad and obvious line, then you should not be kept from playing video games; you should be thrown in a little room with foam walls and then your parents should be arrested for neglect. That's violence. What of nudity? Get over it. If you're mature in the slightest you won't b**** just because you saw a virtual guy in his boxers do a Pulp Fiction dance or you saw a girl dressed in skimpy clothing running around. The only thing that happens when you aren't open with these things with your own kids is that they become confused and mis-informed. Get over your puritan ideals. The world isn't going to go around dressed in a tunic so that you are never exposed to what is only natural. __________________

Mar 31, 2005, 04:54 AM // 04:54	#106
Varuuth Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2005	dancing / not dancing my comment that i made earlier in the thread about the original poster dancing for his wife.. well that was made in jest, i didn't realize that this thread was going to get this huge... heh it's amazing what people will want to talk about (not that that is a bad thing... just commenting) as for what I feel is a good thing or not a good thing ... personally I say if a person want to dance in their underwear .. let 'em but at the same time.. not everyone wants to see that.. so put in an option in the game that shuts off dancing and forces a player to have a shirt (or top part of the armor) and a pair of pants on (or bottom part of armor) i don't think we have to worry to much about shoes / boots and gloves i'm not sure how hard it would be to code something like that, but i think it would really be the best option.

Apr 02, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11	#119
SA_DEMON Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Africa Guild: Royal Knights Of Camelot {HOLY}	Well in my view if all our parents got as naked as they are in this game we would'nt exist so i see nothing that would be even offending. Look too the Sims 2 Nudity and Sex all in one rated 7+ Worst Nudity look into Leisure Suit Larry. So those are games i think have it more than this can be even said. Otherwise just get use to it or try playing a game that has no characters. Last edited by SA_DEMON; Apr 02, 2005 at 10:32 PM // 22:32..

Mar 31, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07	#102
Darkmane Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005	I say we lock this worthless thread and allow people to post their poll on a more un-biased thread to begin round 4... or is it round 5?

Mar 31, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50	#103
March Hare Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wonderland Guild: Knights of Ascalon Profession: W/Me	It's the Energizer Bunny post, I think we're up to 5. However, this game is primarily for the western world, those are the values and morals that should be applied. You can't expect to please all of the people all of the time, you can only make a vested effort, and I think GW has done one he** of a job

Apr 01, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28	#111
Varuuth Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2005	Lansing.. I would definitely agree.. adding a filter of that sort would be a very good thing.. i'd even go so far as to say.. let the game be delayed a few months while they figured out how to add it.. i mean look at this thread and how heated the conversation became.. it might be best (in my opinion) if the option was added.

Apr 01, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31	#113
Xedu Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	Judge not lest ye be judged. Heard this somewhere a long time ago. You cannot regulate the actions of others and what they deem appropriate/inappropriate behavior. I am a wife and if i so choose to disrobe and dance so be it. If you are offended leaving is always an option or simply deciding that this game is too risque for you and your family and will not be a part of your pastime activity. Beware of watching the blood, death and dying and the real tradgedy of 'real life' and half naked people shown on spring break on the evening news and 'entertainment' programs on your local channels. As with the television set hit the off button to discontinue being offended.

Apr 02, 2005, 01:07 AM // 01:07	#115
Varuuth Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2005	William , you probably have a good point there (on delaying the game). Yeah it would be best to have the filter streamed in later (if even added at all). Sneaks off to dance in my underwear some more

Apr 02, 2005, 09:36 AM // 09:36	#116
Rescort Gyde Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	I havent read all the posts but anyway. From what i have seen it seems people dont seem to understand is that it would just be convenient to have the "option". I havent played the beta events. But i have played games with the same thing. I'm not saying censor the games. Just add an "option". I'm going to play the game regardless. I just dont like having to explain to people that watch me play that "its a game. its funny." I dont see how it could hinder gameplay to be accommodating to people.

Apr 02, 2005, 07:17 PM // 19:17	#120
Arianna Darkfire Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Beautiful City of Ascalon Guild: The Royal Knight of Camelot Profession: W/Mo	Ohh... Please lets grow up big people ...I remeber when I got my very first doll and took off all her little cloths to see what she looked like ... but this...this is a game ... and the Chars are not exactly naked they have underware on and thats more then what most other games offer ... In Neverwinter Nights they made haks and 2das to see and have girls chars with bigger boobs and jiggle and men well made the womens mouth dropped they where hunged like a donkey ...so yeah this is so cool what they have been able to do with these chars I will not vote on your pole I am sorry ...I do not take offence to this and think many ppl need to grow up have fun and good god don't forget to laugh when we all need it at this time. Last edited by Arianna Darkfire; Apr 02, 2005 at 10:33 PM // 22:33..